Sometimes I stumble upon replies to one of my ramblings on another board. I found this one on MSNBC and found it interesting. The author is Zaphod2:
Who Cares? Never a finer example of “Republican Values”!
“Republican Values” says the end justifies the means…
It does not matter to them HOW Al-Qaeda got into Iraq.
It does not matter to them that Al-Qaeda was not in Iraq prior to the US invasion.
It does not matter to them that Al-Qaeda is getting stronger because we are in Iraq
It does not matter to them how many lies were told, because the end justifies the means…
“REPUBLICAN VALUES” are NOT “American Values” at all. They jump up and down screaming about how Clinton disgraced the whitehouse with his lies about a BJ, then turn a blind eye and deft ear to Bush’s lies which drug us into a WAR in Iraq. Which in turn kept us from completing our mission in Afghanistan against those that actually attacked us on 9/11, and keeps us in a state of war, which is making our enemy, Al-Qaeda, stronger.
They want you to ignore that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, they had no WMD in 2003, heck we knew they had no WMD in 2001, and that they posed no military threat to the USA. Their new talking points are limited to distraction… LOOK, Al-Qaeda in Iraq… 9/11… KILL KILL KILL!!!! Just ignore the facts about how and when they got there, and what they are doing there…. They are certain that the end will justify the means…
Is that an example you want for YOUR kids? Think about that in November 2008… and VOTE
Zaphod2,
First, the writer is not a Republican. I know this to be tru because I am the writer. Life-long democrat until 14 years ago… now independent.
Second, you appear to be somewhat naive or choose to turn a blind eye to the fact that President Clinton did not lie about a BJ, he lied during sworn testimony in a civil case which is perjury which is the same offense that landed Libby in jail (well.. almost).
Third, I continue to find it fascinating that liberals claim ownership of American values when we all make up the blend of ideals and beliefs that form America’s values. It is the liberals who seek to exclude and approach debates over serious issues with irrational, emotional outbursts fueled by hatred of George Bush. Must be quite a burden to carry such a heavy grudge.
Fourth, wasting time arguing over how Al-Qaeda came to be in Iraq is about as helpful as arguing over how Nazis came to be in France during WWII. The only way to address any situation is to assess the current situation and move forward. Constantly pointing fingers has no more value as an adult than it did when we were children arguing over who broke mom’s favorite vase. time to grow up folks.
And finally, if you must look back, keep in mind that everyone, including many Democrat leaders who enjoyed talking tough after 9/11 about Iraq, really believed WMDs existed in Iraq and that Iraq was a significant threat to US security and that of our allies; the Clinton administration supported regime change in Iraq; John Kerry, Hillary Clinton and many others were all over the news talk shows claiming they new beyond any shadow of a doubt that Iraq possessed WMDs; leading up to the war liberals warned of tens of thousands of US casualties at the hands of Iraqi elite soldiers and chemical weapons, when this prediction did not come true, the tune changed… the victory was unimpressive and the inability to find significant quantities of WMDs was held up as proof the war had no justification… never mind all of the atrocities committed by Hussein and his sons. Of course many of the people who condemn the iraq was are trying to convince us we need to send troops to Darfur even though Darfur has not attacked the United States and is of minimal strategic importance.
As far as my former Party, the 14% approval rating of Congress says it all… looking forward to 2008… if only we could find one candidate in either Party who can handle a difficult job in difficult times.. I don’t believe we have found him/her yet.
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Those are excellent answers – though none will pierce the fact – proof armor he’s wearing. I was listening to Michael Medved the other day and he was interviewing a war protester that had written a column in a Seattle newspaper. She was getting her masters in Environmental Studies. She talked a while about getting out of Iraq to save the soldiers already there. Medved asked her what happened the last time we abandoned a country – Vietnam. “Do you how many people died?” he asked. She huffed, then said “I have an inkling.”
She has an INKLING about what happened after we surrendered in Vietnam!!! Then she said that whatever the numers were she was sure they were exaggerated because once at some peace rally…
They are children in a world that demands adults.
Good that you are chivalrous in defense of our country…
Thank you for your input and kind words. I keep trying to leave the debate over at MSNBC, but the misinformation that is presented as fact and used to justify a position so clearly rooted in hatred of anything associated with president Bush is tough to ignore.